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Sex God
The man has got to go for his own peace of mind. If he doesnt go then what would his fellow soldiers 'really' think. No matter how much they say they dont mind if he doesnt. The public at large also need to see the man lead by example.
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Orgasminator
A soldiers life is full of risk & danger & as a soldier Harry seems ready to accept that :thumbup: which in my view is good for him.
But can we ignore the possible propergander victory for the terrorists if they manage to murder/maime the 3rd in line to the throne .
As an officer Harry has a duty to his men to look after there welfare where ever possible but just by the fact of him going there his men are under more threat/risk of attack & death.
The terrorists are not stupid they know the sort of regiment he belongs to & the sort of vehicles they use so they will target these all the more therefor putting the welfare of Harry's troop at greater risk.
My own view
i'm in two minds if he should go or not.
But can we ignore the possible propergander victory for the terrorists if they manage to murder/maime the 3rd in line to the throne .
As an officer Harry has a duty to his men to look after there welfare where ever possible but just by the fact of him going there his men are under more threat/risk of attack & death.
The terrorists are not stupid they know the sort of regiment he belongs to & the sort of vehicles they use so they will target these all the more therefor putting the welfare of Harry's troop at greater risk.
My own view
i'm in two minds if he should go or not. Quote by Lost
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Yes , we must not ignore what is right and so he should go! Stuff the 11 men stood next to him and what his presence means to their safety. Sod it - they were at risk of being shot at or bombed anyway, making them a high profile target won't matter. Just because Harry will be a primary target for more nutters than anyone else.... think of the relief it will bring to other units whilst the mad-bombers are all playing 'Hunt Harry'.
Sex God
Quote by PoloLady
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Yes , we must not ignore what is right and so he should go! Stuff the 11 men stood next to him and what his presence means to their safety. Sod it - they were at risk of being shot at or bombed anyway, making them a high profile target won't matter. Just because Harry will be a primary target for more nutters than anyone else.... think of the relief it will bring to other units whilst the mad-bombers are all playing 'Hunt Harry'.
Spot on :thumbup:
Quote by sword-stileto
A soldiers life is full of risk & danger & as a soldier Harry seems ready to accept that :thumbup: which in my view is good for him.
But can we ignore the possible propergander victory for the terrorists if they manage to murder/maime the 3rd in line to the throne .
As an officer Harry has a duty to his men to look after there welfare where ever possible but just by the fact of him going there his men are under more threat/risk of attack & death.
The terrorists are not stupid they know the sort of regiment he belongs to & the sort of vehicles they use so they will target these all the more therefor putting the welfare of Harry's troop at greater risk.
My own view
:thumbup:
Well said. I think it's admiral that Prince Harry wants to go, but in terms of the regiment/army as a whole, it puts the whole country at risk for the sake of 1 man.
He shouldn't go, but I also don't think this should have been discussed in the media - Terrorists also watch tv and read newspapers
He has trained to be an Officer, and as such, has duties to his Regiment
As far as I can see, there are two ways to prevent this situation becoming a problem
1) Stop members of the Royal Family becoming serving members of HM Armed Forces
2) Dont go to areas of conflict in the first place
there are enough problems in this country, without going to other countries to stretch ourselves by attempting to get involved in things that have no relevance to us
As far as I can see, there are two ways to prevent this situation becoming a problem
1) Stop members of the Royal Family becoming serving members of HM Armed Forces
2) Dont go to areas of conflict in the first place
there are enough problems in this country, without going to other countries to stretch ourselves by attempting to get involved in things that have no relevance to us
Orgasminator
Quote by essex34m
He has trained to be an Officer, and as such, has duties to his Regiment
As far as I can see, there are two ways to prevent this situation becoming a problem
1) Stop members of the Royal Family becoming serving members of HM Armed Forces
2) Dont go to areas of conflict in the first place
there are enough problems in this country, without going to other countries to stretch ourselves by attempting to get involved in things that have no relevance to us
I agree with what your saying Essex, but if more members of the powers that be, had sons / daughters in the forces, maybe they would supply them with better equiopment, and not send them to war quite so easily.
I feel sorry for Harry, i reckon he wants to do his best but is hampered by his position, and the media. If i was in his troop i wouldn't want be close to him, as you can guarantee an increase in mortar fire, and the number of RPG's heading your way. Although i reckion his men would stand by him 100%.
Goodluck to him though.
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but if more members of the powers that be, had sons / daughters in the forces, maybe they would supply them with better equiopment, and not send them to war quite so easily.
I agree - if President Blairs son was to join up, and be sent into conflict, i bet he would then become the parent, rather than the politician
the way our government has treated our armed forces is nothing less than criminal, and its the same in the health service, and the education service
all treated to cost cutting neglect and mismanagement
Sex God
Quote by Mallock2006
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Yes , we must not ignore what is right and so he should go! Stuff the 11 men stood next to him and what his presence means to their safety. Sod it - they were at risk of being shot at or bombed anyway, making them a high profile target won't matter. Just because Harry will be a primary target for more nutters than anyone else.... think of the relief it will bring to other units whilst the mad-bombers are all playing 'Hunt Harry'.
Spot on :thumbup:
But why then allow the man to become a 'soldier'?
Of course I would be concerned about the other 11 men as you put it with him. I have tried to think of how this man and his fellow soldiers would think and I just think that to lead is to lead by example and the fact of these lads being over there or not is not in dispute in this thread. They are over there.
I would not wish increased risk to anyone by choice good god no. But then it is inherently risky being a soldier in a war zone of course it is. To not have him go would not his comrades then think less of him in respect of thinking his 'priveledge' brings him security over and above theirs.
Personally i think that for Harry to be their would increase the mens moral making them more efficient at doing thier job rather than reducing their moral and being less efficient. Maybe this would go to outweighing the extra risk of his presence as an Army officer with his regiment in his Army doing what his country require of a Soldier.
I do reiterate that this isn't a discussion of whether our nations forces should be there or not. Personally i don't think we should but i do think that Harry should be with his regiment on their tour.
Quote by Lost
I do reiterate that this isn't a discussion of whether our nations forces should be there or not Personally i don't think we should but... I have just expressed my view on whether they should/shouldn't be there anyway, even though I have only just reiterated it is not about that and it wasn’t my thread in the first place to reiterate what the discussion is meant to be about.
:lol: :lol: Sex God
Quote by PoloLady
I do reiterate that this isn't a discussion of whether our nations forces should be there or not Personally i don't think we should but... I have just expressed my view on whether they should/shouldn't be there anyway, even though I have only just reiterated it is not about that and it wasn’t my thread in the first place to reiterate what the discussion is meant to be about.
:lol: :lol:Point conceded :lol:
I also concede the fact that it then go on to give my opinion on something that i said wasn't what the topic was about :cry: - My English teacher what have my hide for that. A good education was wasted on me :lol:
Sex God
Quote by Lost
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Yes , we must not ignore what is right and so he should go! Stuff the 11 men stood next to him and what his presence means to their safety. Sod it - they were at risk of being shot at or bombed anyway, making them a high profile target won't matter. Just because Harry will be a primary target for more nutters than anyone else.... think of the relief it will bring to other units whilst the mad-bombers are all playing 'Hunt Harry'.
Spot on :thumbup:
I would not wish increased risk to anyone by choice good god no. But then it is inherently risky being a soldier in a war zone of course it is. To not have him go would not his comrades then think less of him in respect of thinking his 'priveledge' brings him security over and above theirs.
The life of a soldier in this area is a risky one at best....
Why make that risk even greater by placing him there with them
Its admirable he wants to go and do his duty but I'm sorry its just riddled with risks...
Sex God
Rock and a hard place ...
If he goes, he's a hell of a prize target and that unquestionably increases the risk to the rest of his troop ... no arguing about that.
If he doesn't go, or is stuck behind a desk ... what did he bother signing up for if he's never going to see the front line?
If he goes, he's a hell of a prize target and that unquestionably increases the risk to the rest of his troop ... no arguing about that.
If he doesn't go, or is stuck behind a desk ... what did he bother signing up for if he's never going to see the front line?
Orgasminator
Quote by Mr-Powers
Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier....yes he should go,his family should know what it feels like when a loved one goes off to war...every other parent of a soldier has too,why not them!
I think your missing the point here.
The propaganda value he offers to opposing forces is huge.
How would Blair respond if Harry was caught, and threatened with beheading for example.
It would empower anti western factions.
His life is more important than any of the others squadies, because of his position in the Roal family.
We aren't all born equal, no matter what some think.
You swear an oath on becoming a soldier to the Queen (not ), and you have her grandson standing beside you.
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Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier....yes he should go,his family should know what it feels like when a loved one goes off to war...every other parent of a soldier has too,why not them!
I think your missing the point here.
The propaganda value he offers to opposing forces is huge.
How would Blair respond if Harry was caught, and threatened with beheading for example.
It would empower anti western factions.
His life is more important than any of the others squadies, because of his position in the Roal family.
We aren't all born equal, no matter what some think.
You swear an oath on becoming a soldier to the Queen (not ), and you have her grandson standing beside you.
no i don't think i'm missing the point...his life is not greater then anyone else....its equal....why join the army....unless like his Dad and Granfather its all just for show....and they get to wear a nice uniform on rememberance day....with a lot of unearned medals pinned to their chests!
What if he was caught....should i be more shocked because he is a member of the royal family rather than a comman man....i don't think so....if joining the army was nothing more than a Public Relations stunt....then they should come out with it...instead of insulting our intelligence!...let him go to Iraq....it would actually do the Royal family more good than bad!
Quote by Mr-Powers
Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier...
It's not (well not by me anyway) but I don't see why every other poor sod out there should be put in greater danger of getting their legs blown off. Every extremist mentalist from that and surrounding countries will be rushing out to buy/make their preferred brand of explosive stuffing and have a pop at claiming a prize propaganda turkey – with feck knows how many mistaken identities along the way.
Quote by PoloLady
Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier...
It's not (well not by me anyway) but I don't see why every other poor sod out there should be put in greater danger of getting their legs blown off. Every extremist mentalist from that and surrounding countries will be rushing out to buy/make their preferred brand of explosive stuffing and have a pop at claiming a prize propaganda turkey – with feck knows how many mistaken identities along the way.
I agree
IMO it's not just because he's a prince. I wouldn't want anyone going who was going to be a specific target - either to kill or to be held captive.
I'd be thinking the same way if it was Richard Branson or George Micheal
Quote by PoloLady
Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier...
It's not (well not by me anyway) but I don't see why every other poor sod out there should be put in greater danger of getting their legs blown off. Every extremist mentalist from that and surrounding countries will be rushing out to buy/make their preferred brand of explosive stuffing and have a pop at claiming a prize propaganda turkey – with feck knows how many mistaken identities along the way.
so he's damned if he goes....and damned if he doesn't!
well if he does go....bet all ginger haired soldiers will be dyeing their hair black!
Orgasminator
Quote by Mr-Powers
Why is his life considered greater than the life of another soldier....yes he should go,his family should know what it feels like when a loved one goes off to war...every other parent of a soldier has too,why not them!
I think your missing the point here.
The propaganda value he offers to opposing forces is huge.
How would Blair respond if Harry was caught, and threatened with beheading for example.
It would empower anti western factions.
His life is more important than any of the others squadies, because of his position in the Roal family.
We aren't all born equal, no matter what some think.
You swear an oath on becoming a soldier to the Queen (not ), and you have her grandson standing beside you.
no i don't think i'm missing the point...his life is not greater then anyone else....its equal....why join the army....unless like his Dad and Granfather its all just for show....and they get to wear a nice uniform on rememberance day....with a lot of unearned medals pinned to their chests!
What if he was caught....should i be more shocked because he is a member of the royal family rather than a comman man....i don't think so....if joining the army was nothing more than a Public Relations stunt....then they should come out with it...instead of insulting our intelligence!...let him go to Iraq....it would actually do the Royal family more good than bad!
As i said his life is a more importance than other lads around him because of his position. He represents the UK, and so if slotted by an opposing force, it is seen as a weekening of our position, and it would further the anti western cause. As happened with the recent capture of our sailors in Iran.
Personally i don't think it was a Public Relations stunt, Harry becoming a soldier, i gather he did well in his basic training. If he's volunteering to be mortared etc, living in basic conditions, as purely a stunt, well he wont last long anyway.
Sex God
Quote by PoloLady
Ok. So there is an increased risk of terrorist/insurgent?? activity but surely this is outweighed by what is right!
Yes , we must not ignore what is right and so he should go! Stuff the 11 men stood next to him and what his presence means to their safety. Sod it - they were at risk of being shot at or bombed anyway, making them a high profile target won't matter. Just because Harry will be a primary target for more nutters than anyone else.... think of the relief it will bring to other units whilst the mad-bombers are all playing 'Hunt Harry'.
:lol: :lol:do i detect a hint of irony in your post there PL? ;)
can't he settle for a purely symbolic presence within the rank and file, like his granny and his dad?
if he wants to risk his life, fair enough. the survivability of the 11 men under him should surely be a consideration though. yep, they all signed up for that risk when they joined the regimemnt, but clearly the risk to them is massively increased by his presence. i personally wouldn't feel happy bearing the responsibility for that, though i've never been a soldier, so my opinion might not amount to a hill of beans.
having said that, if the media stopped banging on about the time and place where he and his squad are gonna be deployed, maybe the insurgents might find it slightly harder to target the guy? 'cept of course he's a ginger, so quite easy to spot on the battlefield? :lol: ;)
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
would have been better to have told us he had just got back and then shown us the film and photos of him being a good little soldier in the front line, that way the increased activity from terrorists would not happen and the soldiers would have still seen our royalty leading by example.... balls up if you ask me
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