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McrBloke
Over 90 days ago
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A bump for these items as I'd be interested to know whether they've been considered:
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Having whispers in a separate fixed tab at the top of the screen I find frustrating to use. I'm used to having the flexibility to have multiple windows open on screen that I can position them to suit me. Taking onboard other users' comments about this, how about offering the windows as docked by default with the option to un-dock them if required?
Key AUP and chatroom T&C items still don't appear as static text in the window border (as far as I can remember) rather than appearing in text that scrolls off the window when typing. Suggest they are moved so they are always prominent.
Quote by woohoo
Otherwise you could have just come in and then after 5-10 seconds later - boom!
sad :( :(

But the same problem would occur if it was a 3 hour warning, beacuse people come in to the room at all different times so there would always be someone who has just came in as the room was shutting!!
Woo
Suggestions to solve this one:
- Change the colour of the room name in the room list (e.g. red indicates a room is closing)
- Block the room from accepting new connections so people can't join one that's closing
Quote by Fiona_uk
dunno fire but dont he look sexy in those glasses?!?!?!
Fi xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Totally off-topic.....
Fi, I've just noticed you've got Official Dozy Bint title in your signature....a title I already hold. I believe this gets passed on by the current holder when the situation arises rather than being "liberated" wink
Quote by bbw_lover
One of my favourites is where in the Looking for: it says Straight Single Male, but in the profile text is says "DEFINITELY NO SINGLE MALES" (????), and then just to emphasise the point it continues "… DEFINITELY NO SINGLE MALES! Understand? DEFINITELY NO SINGLE MALES"
My head hurts!!!!!!!!!!

I don't get these either....and there are a few examples of "straight" men (single or on a couple's account) who rant on about this on their profile and ad, and then appear regularly in the gay/bi chatrooms asking for blokes to play with......talk about double standard! lol
Quote by Mal
I start at the town boundary!!

:giggle: rotflmao :laughabove:
Quote by Bonedigger
its gotta be the well hung or VWE one for me....

Yes, and don't you just love it when they come into a chatroom and state they're bigger than an oversized donkey, and proceed to show on cam - and you think "just what starting point did they use for the tape measure?"
:giggle:
What's the most bizarre and contradictory text you've seen in an ad on here? I look through the ads on a regular basis snd still I come across new "gems" that never cease to amaze me!
I'd love to hear about the strangest ones you've come across.....no quoting of specific paragraphs of ad text or user names (this is not meant to be a naming and shaming thread!) and please be mindful of keeping the sexual descriptions reasonably clean. wink
Here's a starter for you:
Men Seeking Men: a male looking for c*ck/a*se fun who's very clear that he's not in the least bit bi or gay but happy to indulge in sucking, licking, fecking, taking part in videos and swallowing. However (and this is the clincher) he doesn't like to kiss - so that's what makes him straight!
Hopefully a Mod will pick this up and transport it to the Chatroom Lounge thread which is a more appropriate place to ask these questions.
"No Directing" means that if someone is on cam and you are viewing, you aren't allowed to ask, coaxe, pursuade (etc) them into doing specific actions for you - just simply enjoy the show.
There is no specific etiquette, but IMHO it's good to see you ask. Just join in the banter, get to know people, don't whisper anyone (a private conversation) without asking first and getting a "yes" from them, and keep a generally positive attitude towards it.
There are lots of good tips in the Chatroom Rules (available here http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/user-rules.html) and the Chatroom Lounge (which is where this thread is likely to be moved).
Welcome onboard to the wacky world of SH chat! biggrin
Quote by Marya_Northeast
And some of them don't work. confused

Which ones are you having problems with?
Sounds like a raw deal to me. I always exchange if I'm interested in a meet and pics are available from the other party, otherwise they have to make do with what's on my profile (unless they have a cam for verification).
I also hate the profiles/ads where there's no pic "because of the job I'm in"or "because the wife/ girlfriend/ children/ boss/ probation officer/ dog might recognise me"(delete those not applicable).
A lot of us are in jobs where we'd prefer for our colleagues not to see us (although of course if they're on here in the first place.....). But that doesn't mean that you can't show a pic of anypart of you. rolleyes
At least we seem to have generally got over the old chestnut of "I'm getting a camera next week".
Lastly, and deviating slightly....I had another one of those "your loss" comments last night when I politely turned down an offer and wished the other person good luck in finding what they're looking for. Toys-pram-out-thrown? I always know I'm not losing out on anything when I get those lol
What an excellent, informative and eye-opening programme!
I despaired at some of the negative experienced people with HIV have suffered (more so in the heterosexual community it seems) and the scary attitudes younger parts of the population have to putting themselves at risk.
I've seen friends die of HIV/Aids-related conditions and just can't imagine how anyone in 2007 can simply close their eyes and take unnecessary risks.
Can't wait for the second part of the programme next week. I take my hat off to the BBC and Stephen Fry for a well put together documentary on an important topic.
I think that sounds a great idea - I'd also have liked the idea of a host being able to pass the access onto someone else rather than having to close a room down.
...and remember the chatroom emoticons are case-sensitive; for example:
:heart will display something similar to this :love:
:Heartor :HEART won't display anything other than the text you type
Quote by Buggered
Having worked in IT, really think you should get existing chatroom working without breakdowns before moving onto the beta version.
My ex company did what you are doing and went out of business.

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I take onboard Dawnie's point (hello hun kiss) about the need to move to new servers for capacity reasons, but this doesn't have to go hand in hand with changing the front end. The whole lot should be stabilised at the back end first.
Quote by Buggered
The existing chatroom is simple and very good (when its working) (Note the simple keep it that way!)

:thumbup:
Quote by Buggered
When people get frustrated by being 'dropped' out of the room for whatever cause, and have to wait 5 mins to get back in is unacceptable- 2 mins would be far better.

The last bit is just poor programming - there's no need for any wait time. All it needs in the script when someone tries to logon is for the server to check whether they're already (apparently) logged on. If the answer is yes, kill the existing session and log them back in again.
I've copied text into here from another post as it seems a more sensible place to put it.
The original post is available here: http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopicpage/191751/40.html
Quote by McrM4M-pvtOK
Could you run through some of the things with the look/style/feel that you don't like.

I'm happy to provide feedback although I can only base this on brief access. Once it's available again I'll provide more.
Having whispers in a separate fixed tab at the top of the screen I find frustrating to use. I'm used to having the flexibility to have multiple windows open on screen that I can position them to suit me. Taking onboard other users' comments about this, how about offering the windows as docked by default with the option to un-dock them if required? I think this would satisfy most users.
All users have a photos icon on their username in the list, whether or not they have pictures on their profile. Couldn't this only show when photos are available?
The emoticons are now on a clickable popup in the chatroom window - good; however the choice is a lot less than the old chatroom - not so good.
Key AUP and chatroom T&C items still don't appear as static text in the window border (as far as I can remember) rather than appearing in text that scrolls off the window when typing. Suggest they are moved so they are always prominent. No excuse for badly behaved users then. (edit: I know this won't stop badly behaved users but it's a lot easier pointing it out when the links are always present)
Overall, my requirements for any chat programme are pretty straightforward. It should be easy to use and well laid out (with as few superfluous "bells and whistles" as possible), it should be resiliant (down-time being an exception rather than an expected regular occurrence) and flexible to allow for different operating systems, browers and user capabilities.
I have one question for you which I mentioned earlier in this thread - why did you decide upon building a new chatroom from scratch (from a programming viewpoint) rather than using any of the perfectly good, stable and well supported programmes already on the market? I think we're all aware that a great deal of effort goes into supporting this site behind the scenes, but I wonder whether some of it is due to having to correct things that could otherwise have been made easier in the first place for all concerned.
Quote by Elliot
As far as the original point of this thread goes, i think people need to look at it at another angle - many sites of this size will just be left alone, taking money, no further development or improvements, no resources spent on taking it to better levels - just reap as much money as possible while you can.

Sounds like you've had experience of some poorly managed sites and these are the ones I tend to avoid. I have had a lot of positive experiences elsewhere, on sites where the admins make the effort to consult their users and do a lot of testing. And they are of a comparable size and usage pattern to this site. Happy to provide further specific details by PM if you want.
Hope this is useful, whether or not my suggestions are taken onboard. I'm keen to provide specific and evidential feedback rather than just saying I like/dislike things. wink
Quote by Elliot
Could you run through some of the things with the look/style/feel that you don't like.

I'm happy to provide feedback although I can only base this on brief access. Once it's available again I'll provide more.
Having whispers in a separate fixed tab at the top of the screen I find frustrating to use. I'm used to having the flexibility to have multiple windows open on screen that I can position them to suit me. Taking onboard other users' comments about this, how about offering the windows as docked by default with the option to un-dock them if required? I think this would satisfy most users.
All users have a photos icon on their username in the list, whether or not they have pictures on their profile. Couldn't this only show when photos are available?
The emoticons are now on a clickable popup in the chatroom window - good; however the choice is a lot less than the old chatroom - not so good.
Key AUP and chatroom T&C items still don't appear as static text in the window border (as far as I can remember) rather than appearing in text that scrolls off the window when typing. Suggest they are moved so they are always prominent. No excuse for badly behaved users then.
Overall, my requirements for any chat programme are pretty straightforward. It should be easy to use and well laid out (with as few superfluous "bells and whistles" as possible), it should be resiliant (down-time being an exception rather than an expected regular occurrence) and flexible to allow for different operating systems, browers and user capabilities.
I have one question for you which I mentioned earlier in this thread - why did you decide upon building a new chatroom from scratch (from a programming viewpoint) rather than using any of the perfectly good, stable and well supported programmes already on the market? I think we're all aware that a great deal of effort goes into supporting this site behind the scenes, but I wonder whether some of it is due to having to correct things that could otherwise have been made easier in the first place for all concerned.
Quote by Elliot
As far as the original point of this thread goes, i think people need to look at it at another angle - many sites of this size will just be left alone, taking money, no further development or improvements, no resources spent on taking it to better levels - just reap as much money as possible while you can.

Sounds like you've had experience of some poorly managed sites and these are the ones I tend to avoid. I have had a lot of positive experiences elsewhere, on sites where the admins make the effort to consult their users and do a lot of testing. And they are of a comparable size and usage pattern to this site. Happy to provide further specific details by PM if you want.
Hope this is useful, whether or not my suggestions are taken onboard. I'm keen to provide specific and evidential feedback rather than just saying I like/dislike things. wink
the new one was up tonight briefly and when i looked there were a number of things not working correctly (again) and it wasn't marked as beta this time
Quote by Mallock2006
Size isnt everything ;-)

Hehe - tell me about it....hasn't made one tiny bit of difference to getting a shag!
Hey baby, wanna come up sometime and see my Gigahertz?
:lol2:
GnV, although you don't have problems it doesn't follow that everyone else's problems must be because of their operating system configurations. If this was the case they'd have problems with lots of things, not just SH.
Saying SH is a quality site then comparing it to ADSL is like saying "my house has an fabulous brass letterbox; Royal Mail delivery times aren't good". The two aren't directly connected in respect of this thread.
rolleyes This isn't about a huge costly PR exercise and it shouldn't be an either-or situation.
Quote by GnV

Other sites just don't have the sheer volume of traffic that this site does.
They have also invested in the new chatroom software which has been tested heavily and presumably not foisted on us until they are satisfied that it will not just make matters worse.

I'd be interested to know what you base the traffic comment on. I use other sites that have in excess of 30,000 online users and over 3 million registered users. They don't have these problems.
What heavy testing has been done? I'm not disputing what you've said but I'd like to know more as performance of the betas doesn't seem to support this.
This thread has been bought up so many times that I've lost count. I hear what is being said from the op/mod/admin side and I believe they all work hard. Absolutely no problems there. :thumbup:
I think the point being missed every time is that a lot of people use a number of chat sites and this is the only site that has continual problems.
Any user would (or should) expect teething problems with new services or major changes. However this site has been around in its current guise for some considerable time and yet the problems continue on a regular basis.
A few people have made very sensible comments that perhaps better communication would improve things. Simply blaming each individual issue on a user's computer isn't an answer. A well designed site should be able to cope with differences in browser, flash versions etc (subject to a flexible common standard that's easy to understand).
I use about a dozen comparable sites offering similar chatroom functionality with a selection of browsers but I haven't had to go through numerous changes to my PC to accommodate them.
The new chatroom has been in beta for what feels like years and yet this is still not released. I can understand why Symbios are keen to develop their own unique version of a chatroom to make it appealing, but it could have been based on tried and tested solutions and been given a SH "flavour" rather than starting from scratch and continually not quite making it work. This sort of chatroom is hardly ground-breaking.
Why do the forums work well without continual crashing and hiccups? Because they're based on stable common and well-supported code. Why not apply this approach to the chatroom?
I'm a non-paying member for the record, though to be honest I don't see that this makes any difference. We all would like things to be better and more reliable.
Quote by Freckledbird
I think it would come under this bit of the AUP:

Darn, wasn't quick enough with the Submit button here wink
Quote by Laff_n_Chilli
We had that happen to us
Turns out we had mentioned that we like to talk to ppl via a certain messenger service (we named that service) - and that was not considered as being correct.
We hadnt put any email addys on or anything more precise than the messengers generic name, and so we didnt think we'd broken any rules.
We just named our preference for messenger service and so it was CENSORED!!!
Once we revised the profile so that it no longer named the service all was fine.
Seems a bit pinerkity to us, but hey, there must be a good reason for it .............................................. probably ............. yeah there must be
isnt there?

This was probably deemed a contravention of the Acceptable Use Policy which includes the statement about not: "Posting a telephone number, email address or other contact information..."
Members are discouraged from any active soliciting which would take other members onto different services or communication methods (i.e. away from this site).
Rather than ask in here you could always submit a ticket or pm a moderator or admin to ask. You'd probably get a relevant response to your question.
Quote by Sara_2006
what about an option to ignore people if the whisper u once but you dont want to talk to then and they continualy bombard u with whispers ....... you got to constantly close down the seperate window or tab other wise, therfore annoying you even more because you can lose the thread of the conversation

I believe an ignore function is being built into the new chatroom
Quote by bbw_lover
Personally, i would like separate im windows like chat.. with the option to turn them of.
I don't much like the tabbed idea or the current idea
Shaz x

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This would make it easier to follow the conversation and twitch someone off if you wanted to
Absolutely - gives people the flexibility to arrange their chat the best way to suit themselves.
Quote by st3v3
What you suggest isn't any different to having tabs at the top with names of people whispering, tabs have one big advantage in that with one click they can be deleted.

Would be much better if the windows could be moved around so those of us who prefer to have multiple private conversations on the go can see more than one at once.
Is it possible for you to look at options to detach the tabs to moveable windows?
...I've just noticed your signature (and thinking about conversations in the newbie room).....
Sometimes only sometimes....I don't do lady snogs
:giggle:
Quote by Dawnie
I thought the room was a laugh too because I popped in a couple of times.

Good to see you in there biggrin
Quote by Dawnie
I even did face cam without straighening my hair which was not a good look

...and it didn't even scare me much
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I think doing them on a regular basis would be a great idea - I'm all in favour of having a newbies room on a monthly basis.
I think it would benefit from being publicised on a few occasions leading up to the nominated days by posting messages into chatrooms as an announcement. We may reach more of the people who need the help and probably don't read the forums....there seem to be a lot of those who never come in here.
When I ran the Pop Quiz a couple of months ago I did a bit of shameless publicity a few nights before by the occasional room message. Worked a treat.
Count me in if you want more help in the future. smile
By the way Dawnie, are these yours?