People don't want to share simply because someone then tells someone else and all of a sudden you have a place rammed with people, most of whom are not polite, pushy and spoil it for everyone else.
Both Chams and Partners have areas with Glory Holes.
My wife and I have been together for 31 years, since we were 18. Understandably,things do get a bit boring and stale after time.
I discovered the swinging scene by accident driving past a club in the North. Having plucked up the courage to go in, I discovered a wonderful lifestyle with a great bunch of people..
Over the last 10 or 15 years I have had four FBs where there has been total honesty. My only regret is my second to last FB where I was not completely honest and occasionally saw another girl. This was despite being told that there was no problem with me seeing someone else as long as she knew.
I have regretted this ever since.
I do not drink, smoke or gamble, this is my only vice and I would love for my wife to get involved even if it were just to watch.
Unfortunately, despite many hints serious conversations she just doesn't want to. I'm not going to force it and I feel guilty when I visit clubs or meet my FB but I just can't help myself.
Pretty much agree with what has been said. Having been to clubs as a single and a couple, I treat the place as a pub with possibilities. No fixed idea, go with the flow and just chat to people, be it singles or couples.
I've had some amazing nights when there was no expectation.
Dogging is dead for many reasons.
Pushy single males who think anyone who parks in a remote car park during the day or night is fair game. The same arseholes are now turning up at clubs and couples are now going to couples only evenings. Having been followed by one a couple years ago when me and the mrs were out with our little one in the back during the day, just about sums up the mentality of these idiots.
Safety. Would you, as a couple, even with the doors locked, pull into a car park with 10 -12 cars that park 6" off your doors and almost block you in?
First timers would be put off for life.
I'm sure there are the odd spots still going but not many.
I'd be interested in opinions on this scenario...
I was at a club recently, on my own in a cinema room. A couple came in and sat about 3ft away from me. I turned and smiled and said hello.
They ignored me and started playing. No problem, they obviously wanted to be left on their own.
As soon as it was discovered a couple were playing, the room filled up. Again,no problem with this.
A young chap then parked himself in the space between me and the couple and tried to push me back to make more space for him. I had nowhere to go so just sat still.
He was trying to push himself on the couple who ignored him then got up and walked away.
Am I being prissy or was his behaviour totally out of order.
I got out of the dogging scene some years ago because of this type of behaviour, it seems to be creeping in to some clubs. Having been on the scene as a single and a couple, I don't want to see the whole thing spoiled.
I'm afraid most of it is dead now due to a number or reasons, most of which have been listed on here over many posts.
I have been to both and can confirm that they are both clean, welcoming and great fun!
I'm a regular at both Partners & Chameleons and both are excellent clubs. Although it's in the south, I have just tried Abfab near Heathrow and would say that is as good as the first two. All have the facilities you want.
Well put. I would say it's being going down hill longer than that.
Like most sites, it's been dead for a long while. Over aggressive single males scaring couples off with a level of expectation.
I am starting to see the same behaviour in the clubs which is why I only go to two now. Any idiots get kicked out straight away.
This started happening about 3 years ago.
Aren't we all mate.. aren't we all
In 20 years of going to clubs i have never seen that, I have seen a number of singles ejected for drunkeness and one very recently for bad behaviour. I was very imopressed with how the club handled it.
Politeness works, just chatting is a good start, if it does not lead to anything so what. Nothing worse than everyine sitting there in silence.
I think if we are all in the same clubs for the same thing, no one will tell. I met a custome rof mine in a club. We chatted for a while. That was a few years ago, never heard anything.
As a single and a couple i/we stopped dogging a few years ago. Up to around 2005/6 it seemed ok but after that it got very silly.
One poster mentioned a free for all and that is exactly what it has become. I was always happy to be either a watcher on my own or one of several dependant on the couple as they were the ones that had to be comfortable.
Last time i went, there was a level of expectation and a selfishness that went beyond incredible.
I will now only go to clubs as a single or couple. Even then, I only go to certain ones as some allow the same behaviour prevalent in the dogging scene. Door handle rattling, knocking on doors etc. It's more liable to get you a slap than anything else and as for the "stampede", it's amazing so many couples still go.
Again, it's down to expectation. The press have stirred a lot of it but in most cases we only have ourselves to blame.
Lastly, i work on a farm that borders a car park and the waste that gets dumped over the wall and around the car park is incredible.
Agreed mate, did not see the point of it and not what i expected at all.
Whilst agreeing with most of the comments, as a community we do not help ourselves. We:-
Leave wipes and condoms around sites
Follow couples that are obviously there for the countryside and sometimes with their families ( this is daytime i am talking about)
To name but two of the problems. The above are from personal experience from the farm i work on. The fields finish next to a carpark well know for dogging her in Yorkshire.
It's only a small minority but it gives us all a bad name. We need to deal with it.
The gay community also do not help with their activities.
Sadly, it is not minimal, I have seen single guys tail what is obviously a normal couple and seen our gay friends do things in broad daylight.
2 years ago, i reported a bunch of guys sitting in cars in a laybay on the edge of a wood. This was just after lunch on a sunday and my 11 yr old nephew was cycling with us...
Agree with Neil, these are the best two. Having been to both as a single and a couple, i found Partners more "open". Perhaps it was just me but i found Cupids very "Cliquey" on saying that, it was a year or two ago.
I live near the location discussed and sadly, this has been the case for a while now. Good luck with your search.
Yes please... am about 15 mins away
Agree as well. I have been as a couple and a single and the manners went in the mid 2000s, about 2006 in my opinion.
Sadly the clubs are going the same way with some dirty ignorant individuals who just do not understand basic manners. Not all, just a few but i have noticed this starting to creep in.
I used to be a regular dogger all the way through the 90s and early 2000s and had same great times at some well known and not so well known sites. I know stick to the clubs as both a single and as part of a couple.
Without pointing fingers, the same behaviour is now starting to seep into the clubs on singles nights as i used to see at the dogging sites. That is:-
"i've paid my money/arrived at the site thefore i am entitled to a show/shag or bj"
Sorry if it sounds harsh but that's how i see it. I regularly used to get asked "what is the best night", "which couples are good".
The respect and behaviour has now gone. In the latter years i used to watch 3-4 blokes park close up to a car that had a perfectly normal couple in walking gear sat it it, when they got out, the guys followed. It was obvious to a blind baboon that they were not doggers and sure enough the police were called. It's happened to me and my family in broad daylight when we had my baby daughter in teh car with us one afternoon. I took the car numbers and reported them.
It's this selfish behaviour by a few that has put a spolier on it for the rest.
We have ourselves to blame.
I hope it comes back one day i loved it, summer night, a great show, nice bunch of people.
Can't see it though.