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13 Feb 2013

Myself personally id get my head down, find a skill in a sector that has roles and would take a basic position, I believe its always easier to find a new better role when your already in one. Some out there just lack any work ethic whatsoever. I have no issues with anyone from another country living in Britain as long as they bring something and are willing to graft too. How can anyone not work if they can because they would get less is beyond me completely. Maybe one in that works for one here out that wont would work too. Once again just my opinion but hey .. I dont have a clue as you said about how the benefits or dss works. Ive friends on the dole that havent got up before 11am for decades and brought kids into the world knowing they couldnt afford to provide for them. Id not be able to live with that and having one im determined to give her the best start in life I can. Surely any person with kids out of work will try even harder to provide for them. Maybe im just old fashioned and my priorities are different too. But you have to admit, it should never have been allowed to happen and with so many.
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But being serious for once .. we are too soft on them and they need a kick up the arse .. not a house upgrade and more benefits .. we working people pay for them to move into houses hard working families cant afford ... cant be right surely
J

Them? Who are them exactly? It could be you or anyone of us. The researches say around 68% of working people are only 3 pay packets away from being absolutely skint. You may be one of the lucky ones but there are a lot of people out there through no fault of their own, find themselves in need from the State.
You know with people with attitudes like yours above with the rather harsh comment of ' we working people ',I wonder matey how safe is your job? If you lost your job I wonder how you would feel with some smart arse taxpayer belittling you with those kinds of comments.
By saying the things you say, you really have not got a bloody clue matey.
Evening Starlights,
I appreciate that some people get hurt and cant work but the vast majority wont get out to work because the last government created a situation where they would bring home less money working than on benefits. It is simply an opinion and everyones is different. I believe you make your own luck in life. I have and continually work studying after work still to ensure I don't have to consider unemployment. In the current climate I think everyone working has a right to be a bit humpty with whole housing estates on benefit. At least get them out fixing roads, litter collecting etc. The polish arriving these days that Ive bumped into may be in the minimum rate jobs here but they take them and graft. Is that too much to ask? If you allow long term benefits without work, how on earth do you expect them to join the workforce. All they have to do is find something they enjoy, retrain themselves and be willing to start at the bottom. There are jobs out there, they just believe they are below them and too poorly paid. Which is why I think if you create a max length if not injured then they have to take a job available at the bottom, that'd be a start. I wasnt belittling anyone but if you dont agree we have at least two generations now who only know their parents sitting at home claiming benefits. Those will think that is perfectly normal too. What kind of example is that to set. Toughen up on it and all would regain a work ethic and should begin to climb the career ladder learning new skills along the way. I agree I have a lack of clues in many areas but working hard, doing well and achieving id say my clues are well up to scratch. I didnt mean to belittle at all. Just dont understand how labours social consience and lack of ability bordering on incompetence causes people to believe they deserve a handout. Id personally be ashamed getting handouts and ive worked hard, studied hard to ensure I never have to.
Apologies if i have caused upset to anyone, but simply my opinion, clueless or not I believe it should be made tougher and the country would benefit from getting the huge number on benefits out in the morning to work.
What would you suggest for the capable long term on benefits then? Do you think its right that an unemployed couple with 6 kids can live in a 6 bedroom house on benefits that most middle paid workers couldnt afford to rent?
J
I am not going to dissect all of that VoyeurJ as too much even for me. I found myself out of work for a while. Dodgy employers out there can now get away with employing immigrants for the minimum wage allowed by law, to do jobs like bricklaying, bathroom fitting heating engineers etc. Jobs that British workers could not afford to take. Can you imagine a skilled bricklayer wanting to work for an hour? Of course if you are lucky enough to be an employer, employing Polish bricklayers for the minimum wage, then of course you are laughing all the way to the bank and beyond but.....if you are a skilled brickie who knows only that trade living with a mortgage and two kids, how the heck can he possibly survive on that low amount of money?
On the one hand we had the unions squeezing the employers by the balls at every opportunity, and now the roles have kinds reversed as they can now employ cheap labour. What I get a bit pissed off about is when a taxpayer puts every out of work person in the same dole scrounging box. I am not a scrounger, I have worked hard all of my life and paid my dues. I would therefore expect some kind of help from the State for all the years of paying in. There are of course jobs out there but most paying the minimum wage of - an hour. Could you survive on that?

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