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Quote by adeymull
yes i have spoken to my partner about this lifestyle and as far as she is concerned she has no objection to me seeking my fantasy,
as for her anticipation she feels that this life style does not suit her and is more then happy for me to explore and experiment. so the answer is yes she is fully awear of my actions

With an understanding woman of yours, you're a lucky man, just remember that. The fact that you're not going to do it secretly but with the blessing of your partner gets my respect on how relationship should be. You know, no one should get hurt.
As your partner, however I would have one condition. I would expect you to come back to me as 10, 20...times better lover. They say an affair can sometimes spice up a marraige etc. and I'd be inclined to release my man willingly for that sort of outcome. Hehehe.....just my thoughts. wink
Quote by fabio grooverider

sorry but in my opinion there seems to be a lot of talking but no action, so prove me wrong ????????????????/
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trust me.... that doesn't work either, and that attitude won't help either.... and to be honest, the sympathy route is likely to backfire...you will turn more people off than on......and it doesn't come across well....

So the 'non prospecting of the likes' aren't missing much of hot and steamy adult action. Oh I'm so, so, so disappionted. banghead
Never thought about it. Women's sexuality aren't like men (on average 3 minutes and he's battery is flat with the sperm squirting).
The time taken to cum (and frequency of cum for multiple orgasms) depends on the skills of the man giving the pleasure to the woman with the masterful use of his fingers/hands, tongue/lips/mouth and finally his love tool and knowing the pace of love making that is required to sustain her sexual interest/mood. wink
Quote by RedHot

i have been through the whole site for weeks and still no action, any sugestions on success
adam.
sad

rolleyes
This isn't a one stop shag shop and despite what the tabloids may say about swingers, we DON'T shag anything that moves evil
We like to get to know people first. After all, would you really walk into a pub and ask the first woman you see to come and have a shag?! Of course not, so please don't expect to do it in here smackbottom
T-J
LOL! Swinging with swinging etiquette, a swinger with dignity and grace. I'm learning.
Quote by burnie
I must admit, we went to a club in Holland and a couple who must have been on the wrong side of 65, started following us around. They seemed lovely, but it would be too much like doing it with my Grandparents.
I think if you find people are running the other way when you start in their direction, just go to the clubs with the dark rooms and stay there...

SCARY....Bloody hell, precisely the sort of things that freaks me out even visiting swinging clubs...Grandparents...unthinkable!
Not trying to be patronising, maybe couples like these could do better in swinging clubs geared for older retired couples which seemed to be some of the problem with the Yorkshire couple in the recent Wife Swap on TV. The place they went to was a bit too upbeat for them and they were a bit folksy. To an extent, swinging will always be about people fucking people who are up to their standard in physical appearance. Okay there are fews exceptions (as highlighted in various posts) and some people are luckier than others.
If a person is able to and wants to continue swinging, I don't see no reason for an 80 year old to stop swinging. They'd just have to be realistic and accept that their choice of swinging partners will likely be limited to a SAGA swinging clubs in the possible future. This must already be in the pipeline for some business adventurer......
Bloody hell, you should have posted this thread earlier. I’ve just spent a fortune on a Pussylicious outfit for my fist swinging party and it’s non-refundable…just joking.
It’s funny I thought people go swinging to avoid the situation of faking orgasm with partner after a long spell of monogamous relationship but I get used to female pornstars doing it too unless the male pornstar is first class in his craft.
On the prospect of swinging in parties and clubs, I had thought about the possible problems you’ve outlined. Although your complaint was about some big women doing it a bit roughly with the foreplay, I wouldn’t even have liked them to touch me in the first place. If swinging is to be heaven for me, I'd prefer to have sexual encounter with someone I’m physically attracted to and being an average slim person, I’m just not sexually attracted to someone much bigger than myself.
Is it easier said than done in swinging clubs/parties where some people feel pressured to play the part even if you’re so hating a John Prescott look-alike man slobbering all over you. Freaking me out man, best stay at home?
My IMMEDIATE thoughts, not as teenagers !!! (enjoy the teenage youth while you can) but 21 and over, it feels you're old enough.
Quote by KitKat
Hiya Sparky,
You will need to ensure Mrs Sparky does not think that you are going to put any pressure on her to change her mind.
Then - indulge the fantasies. The beauty of fantasies is you can go a whole lot further than you ever would in real life!
There are many couples that never actually reach the stage where they can even relax
enough to enjoy their fantasies - I will tell you one thing for sure - you may not be lucky enough to have a wife that swings but you are a damn sight luckier than several thousand husbands on here who wish their wives were more like yours.
Be realistic - recognise that you are a very lucky man, and make sure that Mrs Sparky knows you feel that way.
lhk
Kat

I agree with above advice. :thumbup:
Now mine. Sparky you’re in the right place for sharing your story. Every now and then, we get this ‘moral dilemma’ type of thread from people in non-swinging committed relationship.
Like you, I’ve mentioned the possibility of swinging to my partner in the past but deep inside, I know I didn’t mean it and besides, the topic was brought up in the heat of the moment, you know when women are in miserable winging mood. Like your wife, he said no, you know a non-negotiable arrangement.
Although I harped at him for being a boring fartbag, I look back and say I’m saner now because he said no. It’s like I needed his veto to protect me from knowing what’s really good for myself. Even if he had agreed to it readily, I would have been hugely disappointed, hurt and even scared shit of what I had proposed…then you’d have to act on it. Human beings or women rather, are rather complex. You have to understand it’s only because your wife loves you in that ‘old fashioned way’ that it’s very difficult for her to come round to your drastic swinging suggestion. From your post, she sounds like a marvelous person and that you two appear to have a fairly healthy sexual relationship (unlike other pointless marriages I’ve come across with zero sex – but who am I to judge?).
I don’t particularly feel it’s such a huge sacrifice respecting my partner’s right to veto and if you really love and care for your wife’s feeling you’d do the same thing. All life is a compromise and who is to say swinging has none but the grass is always greener on the other side. You did say you’d rather be a non swinger with your wife than be a swinger without her. You’ve answered part of your own question.
Also consider if you yourself will be able to cope with swinging lifestyle. Once you get your wife hooked on swinging, you might not like the sort of person she’s become. I feel similarly to you and I guess we’re what you call people in the grey area between swinging and non-swinging. Still I’ve found that fantasy can get you high and the last thing on my mind is suggestion of swinging to my partner.
Maybe the question isn’t about to swing or not to swing but to take this experience as a process to learn more about yourself. You might actually find that you weren’t the person you thought you were. But if you do make it to swinging scene with a willing wife, be prepared for the transition to take time in months and perhaps even time in years when you and your wife hit your 50s. Good luck with your journey…
Quote by jezzay
I quote : " Swingers' Clubs are the only places left in England where you'll get cheese and pineapple on sticks". I object!! How long are we going to put up with these vicious attacks.
Jezzay

At least the pineapple wasn't crappy tinned version - that's 10 out of 10 for class.
redface Blushing to be saying this but I hate/resent any forms of schedule where sex is concerned. I wish they would just happen as and whenever the god damn feeling hits.
Like taking time to decide which ice-cream flavour to have for dinner while your fella do you doggie from behind as you’re bent over the chest freezer, riding your fella while he’s watching England Vs Germany football match on TV with 5-1 score, discreetly finger foreplaying (in W style) while sitting thru wretchedly long commercials before a film starts regardless of how full the cinema theatre is. I highly recommend getting sexually high during J-Lo’s ‘the Glow’ perfume advert, the music and the sexy, near ejaculating female voice, “Give us the glow”, it just kisses you at…you know where. surprisedops:
Quote by welshBIcouple
I'm a take it where I can person.
After being stuck in a relationship with someone who hated sex and only getting it once every 3 months for 9 long hard years, I became used to never turning it down. (believe it or not I was never unfaithful either !!)
On the plus side, been with the new gf for about 2 years now, who is highly sexed (3 times a day !!) and she has NEVER been turned down by me, be it late at night, early in the morning, mid afternoon, middle of the night. So I guess that makes me an AM and PM and in fact ANYM person !!
I feel like i've aged 5 years in the last 2, and feel constantly tired but it definately is worth it, with 9 years to make up for !!
lol

First I just love the topic.
Second to WelshbiCouple,
Tell your new GF, she's sure as hell 'LUCKY IN LUST', the kind of stuffs I bet Kylie's never even heard of. You sounds like you can give steel rod on demand. If she ain't no tireless Michael Sumi no more, please know offers are abound in the virtual land of Swinging Heaven. Okay this is only jokey-talkey, if you're cool, I'm cool. :thumbup:
Cheer up, slimming from sex is surely much better than conventional exercising and think of all the super calorie rich food you can eat.
Interestingly, received this as SPAM email but the content got me reading (okay it wasn’t Viagra or Penile Extension or Web cam gals etc). It's written by an American man so the Amerilingo. I’ve excluded the contact details as that would be promoting on the forum.
I hope it’ll be a light hearted thingy sort of you know…thingy, not banghead Rubbish it if you like. He sounds kind of bitchy, I thought only women were allowed that privilege.
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Calm down boys, calm down boys, it’s only a COMMERCIAL…remember that old chap from Esure TV ad. Okay I actually do agree with all the above arguments, it’s more than just various parts of the body. Sure personality counts; there’s charm, that smile, the way she walks, the way she talks, the way with her eyes, the way she oozes confidence, that certain fire/sexuality about her presence, some intelligence and compassion would be nice…shit, for a moment I thought I was a man!!!
Also agree with guys who insist she could have all three…what women wouldn’t. But the bottom line of the bottom line is, if I were a man I’d go NUTS over the legs…legs that wrap…legs spread out wide open…legs that squat...legs flying in the air...to say “Fuck me, your Majesty!” so for me legs is sex. However if I had to choose a body part I’d like in a man, it’s gotta be the BUTTOCKS.
If some of you guys choose to be too serious and over analytical :taz: about this fun poll, you might run the risk of frightening the girls away. :violin:
Have a laugh, have a Kit Kat and enjoy the beers with Carling-Carlsberg-Castlemaine beer commercials, not forgetting Foster which almost had you convinced that tall Amazon girls are useful beer cooler. :cheers:
I'm led to believe British men are supposed to be primarily a sillyhwoar: ‘boobs’ man in line with American man (supposedly Italians are a Legs man, forgot which nationality for bum). And are there ‘boobs’ man who actually prefer smaller tits? Dying of curiosity, so the poll.
Quote by icklesausage
I really love anal sex a lot maybe too much because i do tend to use some rather big toys up there and maaaaaaaan its good. But I just wonder if its gonna do any long term damage? I dont want to stop but theres such conflicting information out there sometimes it only confuses the issue more.

As anal virgin, I'm not much of a help but I did watch a documentary on on telly about anal sex in the porn industry. With excessive anal sex, the anal will gradually lose its 'elasticity' as was the term used. So this anal pornstar got hers fixed (can't remember how but it must have been some expensive surgery) but she couldn't go back to work for a month or so. Then there was an enterprising Chinese man who thought he had come up with a solution with a brieftcase of his special anal training tools; supposedly cheaper alternative to the surgery.
Quote by Happy Cats
We've tried it loads of times.
And to be blunt, it just don't fit. rolleyes Are we doing something wrong? confused

Try taking your big pants off!
wink
LOL! I love this crowd.
I like the idea of being totally naked under a fur coat and with your high heel shoes on. A great figure would help of course. I'd say "Ooppss I seemed to have drop my coat".
The porn videos provide a useful illustration for different positions. You'll see that the most common ones are only two positions as pointed out in the posts.
a) Cock on a pussy from the bottom leaving anal free to be fucked from behind
b) Cock through an anal from the bottom leaving pussy free to be fucked from the front as seen in above picture (this is sometimes called cowgirl style I think).
Other bizarre positions are standing up DP (recommended for strong men) again with variation of 2 styles whether you plug the cock in the pussy or anal to begin with. I have seen pictures of other rarer ones but I think they aren't so practical and probably not so enjoyable as you can't get decent stroking.
Porno titles might refer to DP as
No holes barred (including the mouth)
Tag teamed
Sandwiched
Double Parked
I think they are American terms but I could be wrong. There are DP picture galleries about on the internet, so I leaveyou to explore.
Quote by eddythefish
all that said its over rated ok its tight but u need to be so so careful it kinda takes the fun out of it! One of those great on paper disapointing in practise jobs!

Interesting point.
Presuming you're a man, wouldn't it be easier to ass fuck an anal pro/loving woman? I guess swinging gives an anal loving man to do it on anal loving woman if his partner doesn't do back door.
Quote by Wishmaster
Bugger all that!!!........ I just go for it and if Mr Pinky comes out with a tan then so be it... had some unfortunate 'accidents' in hotel rooms in the past though ... hehehe

LOL! I appreciate your brash honesty.
Is it just me or the world has become more broadminded of anal sex within the heterosexual community. My only problem about fully accepting anal sex as the norm is that I can’t help thinking what couples do about the one big question – the stinking shit.
Porno with anal sex is fantastic to watch (makes you want to try it too) but these are professional ‘enema job’ that it’s good enough for them to do an ATM (ass to mouth). So if a couple is planning to try out anal sex, do you get the enema done first (how much does it cost?) or is there a home kit (an anal douche) that is equally effective.
A male colleague did tell me anal sex could be better simply because it’s a ‘tighter fuck’…obviously for a man. I also remember reading about a guide to anal sex on the internet and basically the web mistress advised that if you don’t do shit (shit shy), anal sex is not for you. Still I can’t help but wonder about gay sex as in gay man picking up another gay man in a raunchy gay bar where I’m left to assume that these horny studs aren’t necessarily put off by the shit question or are they?
Oh I forgot that they are straight men who like to get their ass fucked with a strap on dildo from their partner. So straight men might need anema job too?
I notice that most pornstars have really nice neat pussy. I'm sure they have been neaten up. If you're a regular swinger and fuck around in all out group orgy in clear view of other people in a swinging party, if I were you, I would like my pussy to be all nive and very pretty because it would then be like kissing a lip.
I'd say to him, go have some fun. It's not like he's married and besides he claims he's not attracted to his new girlfriend or in love with her. My question is should he be in a serious relationship with his girlfriend at all. My suspicion is that he's only keeping the girlfriend for convenience e.g. occasional free sex, companionship, home cooking or whatever
Break off with the new girlfriend first and then sleep with the old flame, that way it's not cheating. Then he may keep old flame as a handy fuck buddy
I heard shaved pussy can be darn prickly. Has anyone tried doing a wax job at home? I’d be a bit embarrassed to get it done professionally and also it cost. I’m especially wondering how you get the thicker, longer bushy hair at the top of the crotch but the ones below are finer hair and easier to pull during a hot bath.
I think the phrase is Fuck Buddy. When the time is right, just ask her if she would like to be your fuck buddy. If she slaps you, then you know it's a 'Piss Off You Pervert'.
If you're considering swinging, wouldn't it be just as easy to approach an existing swinger? Becoming a swinger can be like joining a minority community as in a gay man cannot fall in love with a straight man who can't give him back what he wants. I know it's a stupid example but I would have thought your 'chosen community' would be better equipped to protect and look after your needs. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, this is just my gut feeling.
A few years ago I would have never imagined joining a sex related internet community and I used to think online sex chats were only for perverts. Now I don’t know what’s gotten into me but I’m probably heading towards a mini form of mid-life-crisis as I haven’t hit the big 40 yet. Anyway recently someone’s wife walked out just weeks before her big 40 after 13 years of marriage.
Although it was a great shock, I found myself sympathizing with her to some extent with what being married even longer than her. Life sucks and in particular the sex life. I’ve heard a zillion times from married people that their sex life is non existent. It seems weird that people get married only to end up sexually miserable and frustrated having much lesser sex and lousy, boring one at that!
Not surprising there are so many divorces and couple fall out of love because they are no longer sexually attracted to each other to want to enjoy sex. I see movies like ‘American Beauty’ and say, ‘Shit, that’s so true reflection about married life’. I sometimes feel maybe people marry the wrong person in terms of sexual compatibility. Perhaps a man with high sex drive should never marry a woman with much lower sex drive no matter how much he thinks he’s in love because the relationship will only end in tears and frustrations.
For the brave couple, I guess swinging can work to their great benefit, provided they’re able to distance themselves from the emotional engagement of fucking someone other than their partner. For the not so brave, what are the other options? Personally, I think I’d like a brand new man (fitting all your desired attributes) every two years, being newly in love, doing the romance thing, the exciting sex and after the honeymoon period starts to wear off, you get to move on to the next man (e.g. next woman for a man). If only life was that easy and you could move from one man to another as they pass on a conveyor belt.
Thus I think I’ve developed a strange perversion on learning about what other people do to spice up their sex life. I guess I could be a ‘watcher’ of a dogging session, LOL to myself. I’d sure as hell love to go to swinging party just to watch the adult action; even then I’d probably complain the fuck sessions aren’t as visually good as the studio porno ones. I also enjoy listening to other guys stories of their great ‘sexcapades’, yet these guys are never the ones I fancy enough to want to have sex with them. If I did, I wouldn’t be talking to them about sex in the first place. I'm enjoying reading up the erotic stories from this site but sometimes I think there tends to be an exaggeration about cum shallowing. I mean do women really lick everything up? Even pornstars do it half heartedly.