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Carmeladea
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 52
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I get mefenamic acid prescribed. It seriously helps with the cramps. Plus it has the added advantage of making my period go away. Which is nice. Especially since I've been on for the last four months *sigh* Thought it might go away on it's own, but have resorted to the horse-pills.
However... There is one great thing for PMT.
CHOCOLATE
Yup, it's good for you. Officially. It contains Magnesium, which helps with the PMT, and Iron, just in case you're getting anaemic. It also has a cocktail of chemicals that give you that nice inner-glow feeling of being in love... Seratonin? Something like that. Someone will know. It's also got caffiene and sugar in it for a little energy booster.
As if we needed an excuse...
So far not broken anything... Well, fractured my heel ice skating, but that's not really a break, just a crack.
I've dislocated my fibula playing darts (don't ask- was told "you can't dislocate that!" I still managed it), torn all the ligaments in both ankles at various points through falling out of trees and off a train once, and have been scraped off the pavement more than once with concussion (not always drink related). I've sliced my finger nearly to the bone with a knife trying to cut butter, skinned the side of my finger from knuckle to tip and shattered a nail with a hammer while puting an eyelet in canvas (sat there, looked at it, and commented "well, that's not good"), sliced another finger on a rotating blade, severely bruised my leg falling off a chair (bruise was about 7 inches round and it wasn't my fault... Honest) and have various scars from being an accident-prone child (my knees were just scabs with no skin for most of my pre-teen years, and for some of my teenage ones too, come to think of it...)
I was once told that statistically, in this country, redheads are more accident-prone. I think I proved that one over the last *coughthirtyfivecough* years...
Just look at television ads... There's one for a loan company where there's a bloke, tall, slightly spreading round the midriff, could do with a step closer to the razor... His bird is one of those twiglets with the nicely done hair, make-up, tidy clothes...
Why are we the ones that have to make the effort when the guys seem to get away with the trophy beer gut, bed-hair (not attractive unless I make it that way), scruffy trainers, jeans that haven't seen the inside of a washing machine for a week and have no clue what an iron looks like...
Nuff said...
All I'm getting is the greyed out bit before chat loads properly... It won't load. Then if I try and click out of it, I get the "already there" bit...
Bah humbug... Will keep trying till it works or I get cheesed and go to bed.
Why? Because they can. There's no strict breeding programme in this country for those who can produce offspring whenever they wish (or whenever they have that accident that leads to it, or are careless/ignorant/stupid/teenage and doing it because it's seen as cool to have an STD by the time they're 14/after a council house) There is however a strict (Ish) breeding programme for those who are unable to nip out, have sex and get pregnant.
Feel free to explain to me why a smoker has to be "clean" for a year while a meth addict doesn't.
Feel free to explain to me why some babies have to go through that detox process, why it is inflicted on them by parents who obviously won't do it themselves, but are quite happy to pass it on to the defenceless outcome of the stupidest decision about their fertility treatment options.
If you're not going to care enough to give up X (pick your substance of choice), you can't have a kid. Simple.
We smokers (ex-smoker. Two and a half weeks and counting. It doesn't make you live longer, it just feels like it) have to give up to give any possible offspring from IVF the best chance of being a viable pregancy and healthy babies, so why the F**K am I sat here reading this S**T about how we should be nice to Meth addicts who don't have to give up anything?
To use your hypothetical and ansewer the question with a request: Show me absolute proof that there is no short or long term psychological or physical damage done to a baby who has to go through withdrawal symptoms.
Would I rather that person didn't exist? Unfair question, and an attempt to emotionally hijack the advantage.
Let me ask you another question: If you had a choice between funding fertility treatment for a couple who were infertile from cancer treatments or a couple Meth addicts, which would you choose? How about the choice between those who are infertile because of PCOS as opposed to having extremely low fertility because of a Heroin/Meth addiction? A choice between someone who is infertile but 10lb over the BMI of 20 to 25 listed as being one of the criteria for IVF or a Meth addict?
"Probably not nice for a baby to have to withdraw from Methadone"? What planet are you on? What withdrawals do normal adults have to go through but have the advantage of being able to tell you that it's the spiders crawling the walls that makes them scream out, or the feeling that their veins are filled with fire or ice that makes them shake? Why would it be any different for a tiny infant who has been subjected to those same drugs for up to nine months?
If you can give me a sensible answer as to why, if the safety of the adult and the child are taken into consideration before treatment, that Meth addicts can have treatment while others with no such dependancies cannot, simply for being too young (under 36 here) too fat (BMI of over 25) too old (over 39) or any number of other hoops that people have to jump through, I will see your point. Currently it is escaping me.
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To recap – we simply wanted advice from people who had successfully had a mfm with a friend – we weren’t looking for advice on the pros and cons of it all. We established what we both are happy with re swinging a long time ago and we really don’t need that sort of advice. Maybe we should have been clearer in the first post.
I can understand the comments about my friend’s gf but she’s not a permanent fixture and you’d have to know him to fully understand the situation.
If we asked him outright and he wasn’t interested, it wouldn’t ruin our friendship at all – he’d probably be fascinated in what we do but politely decline. It’s just that we’d rather he didn’t know that we’re swingers if he isn’t interested, that’s all. Not that we’re ashamed of it, just that we’d rather keep it a total secret.
The fact my gf fancies him is fine – that’s what having an mfm is all about and in fact wouldn’t work without it. Total rubbish to suggest it’s a problem. Why would she leave me for him and not any of the other guy’s we’ve had mfms with? It’s purely recreational sex, whoever it’s with.
Any other comments from people who've had successful mfms with a friend and how they've acheived it, would be very welcome.

OK, so I've not been there, although I've been on the receiving end of the mates shagging in the same room as me. No, it didn't make me want to join in, before you asked. It just felt toe-curlingly embarrassing lying there listening to the noises and pretending to be asleep. I didn't fancy either him or his g/f, and you still have yet to say whether this friend of yours even fancies your other half. Your g/f might be fine with his looks, but no offence to her here, but she might not be his idea of fanciable.
If you want to keep it a total secret, why are you dropping such huge hints to this guy? Why not just say "We'd like to, would you?" and get it over with?
What you've suggested is going to make your mate think twice about things once he realises that you're using machinations to get him into a situation you want, but isn't necessarily what he wants. If someone did this to me and manouvred me into a situation like this, I would run away. Fast. Even if it would have been something I might have contemplated under other circumstances.
Honesty is the best policy: Ask him straight out if he's interested. Better: Get your other half to do it, because women can be better at these things.
I won't be watching... My view is that there should only ever have been one series, or one, then shelve it till people forget what it was all about. That way you're not just getting the weirdos, wannabes and w**kers, the brain-dead, chavtastic slice of British grown-up (allegedly) population smearing themselves across the media like a bad case of Marmite (YUK! Can't stand Marmite, and hate people who are famous just for being on one of those stupid reality shows)
Series one: No one really knew what was going to happen, no one in the house or sitting watching really knew what to expect. Good programming and a brilliant idea.
Now: Everyone wants to get in the house (apologies to deancannock) just to be famous, do the stupid crap they're made to do and generally make loads of cash from the spinoff "celeb" stuff that follows on the heels. Overplayed, overblown, overhyped trash masquerading as "good programming".
Yeah, I've seen it. I've been subjected to watching it when I go round to the neighbours. If I wanted to watch idiots, chavs and people with severe social diseases, I'd go stand out the front on a Saturday night. I choose to do other things with my time.
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As for waiting for your 36th birthday (I have no idea why that is) a change is round the corner maybe to your bennefit maybe not. NICE has made a recomendation that states roughly all woman under 40 with female factor infertiltiy will get free NHS treatment, 3 cycles I think. 100% sexist! it means I with male factor infertility and a wife with no problems wont get any free treatment dunno I am glad this is likely to come in after we are all done with treatment otherwise I dunno what kind of protests I would have come up with. Ohh this has the NICE effect of bringing the goverment level with (drum roll please) EUROPE on the number of free to private treatments given in this country. Currently we lack way behind most of europe.

I'd like to ask CarmelaDeA why she has to wait until she is 36?
Purely being nosey, sorry, its been 11/12 years since I had my last IVF and so I was just wondering confused
I did have IUI before the IVF so I started having treatment at about 24/25. My first IVF I was only about 26 :dunno:
As for your comments Tweeky, surely as a couple you are infertile. It shouldn't matter which one of you has the problem! I know I've always felt difficult that it is me that can not have children naturally when Ian can but you are a couple, it affects you both. Saying you get different treatment because of the females age is disgusting. I find that quite disturbing :?
The local PCT has looked at the part of the NICE guidelines that says anyone between the ages of 23 and 39 can be offered up to 3 cycles of IVF funded by the PCT and decided that it would only be offered to those between the ages of 36 and 39.
Let's face it. Most people would have given up or gone private by that point because that's when fertility takes a bit of a dip in IVF terms. If you stick it out till you hit the age barrier The PCT can then say that a person is too fat, smokes/didn't give up in time, has some other condition that will preclude them getting IVF or the chances are not good enough for a viable pregnancy, so they don't have to spend the money...
Me? Cynical? Surely not...
the main purpose of methadone treatment, these days, is not to get the addict clean...
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just how many hoops do you want them to jump through FGS, before you will allow them the possibility of the kind of family life you take for granted?

I want them to jump through the same hoops I have to. The same hoops other people like me have to. But we have to sit with an unfair system of PCTs dolling out money as they see fit.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances going and really far more common than any methodone or heroine adiction.
Are they refused treatment for not being off the nicotine?

Yes. Us sad niccotine addicts (ex-addict for a week now, thank you) have to give up and go clean, detox on our own expense, and do so for a year before being allowed IVF. At least in this PCT area.
Because it's not controversial enough to be able to point 'over there' outside of our own back yards and say 'oooo, look at those dirty users having children, how disgusting'.

Which is why the smokers are becoming the new pariahs of society with all the new laws about smoking in public places (enclosed) and on business premesis (includes grounds of said business)
At what point do you pigeon hole a person, decide the person is a waste of space even though they are making an effort, afterall 'a leopard can't change it's spots' confused , write them off as a loss and go down the line of euthanasing anyone who doesn't live up to a set ideal? :?

All I asked was for people to have an even playing field. If smokers can't get IVF till they give up their addiction/habit then why should other addicts/habitual users be allowed to be funded?
Smokers have a risk of babies with low birth weight, birth defects, complications with development etc. So do Heroin users. Meth users. Alcoholics. People addicted to painkillers/tranquilisers. People on antidepressants. People who are overweight. People who are underweight.
The list goes on.
It just makes me spit to know that I have to jump through all the hoops and play the game by all the rules, but others don't. I have to make the lifestyle changes, I have to wait until my 36th birthday (when the chances of conception are that much lower anyway and then only have a window of opportunity of three years) and I have to do all the other things asked of me, but others can bypass that because they live in an area whre IVF is funded by the PCT under much more lax guidelines.
I just had to have my tuppence worth here...
Having read everything, it seems people are getting hung up on the whole Meth v Heroin debate and missing a vital point: According to the NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) guidelines, anyone wishing to have IVF *MUST* be informed that smoking decreases the chances of success and our local PCT states that you *must* be a non-smoker for at least one year before being permitted treatment funded by the PCT.
That's both parents, not just the prospective mother. And that's just the smoking side. There's plenty more conditions that you must fill.
It comes down to what the PCT will or will not fund. The guidelines that they work to give a general overview, stating that alcohol, caffiene, niccotiene and prescribed, over the counter or recreational drugs can affect the outcome and decrease success rates. The PCT then decides what hoops it will place in the path of prospective parents for them to jump through in order to keep within their budgets.
Obviously this lucky duo live in an area where their PCT can afford to fund their IVF treatment, where others in other areas have to be a certain age, certain weight, be a non-smoker for a year and a dozen other things to go along with it before it will even be considered.
OK, so smoking isn't completely harmless, but it's not a prescribed medication that is a *direct substitute* for an incredibly addictive, illegal substance. As far as I am aware, the only difference in effect between meth and heroin for the user is the way you obtain it. Plus it's cheaper. Plus people on benefits get free prescriptions, although I'm not sure if that's true for substances like meth. Someone will enlighten me on that score I hope. It's still bloody dangerous and bloody stupid as far as my feelings go.
If someone is that desperate to have children, why are they not prepared to make the saccrifices needed to give them the best chance of bringing a healthy, addiction-free child into the world? I am determined to quit smoking so I can perhaps have that chance. I am determined to make the saccrifices needed to jump through those hoops, as are others, so why are people like us sitting here like absolute lemons, doing all this stuff and then having to read about some couple who would never be allowed the chance to adopt a child because of their addiction, get the treatment that we so desperately want but can't have?
Someone used the phrase "loony liberals" and it's a sad fact. We live in a society where people who want kids, who are happy to make the lifestyle changes, who work, earn, pay taxes, have a stable relationship and who have tried and failed to have natural births have to sit back and watch this sort of thing happen. Why? Because some "poor ex addict has a right to have children the same as everyone else does". Yeah right. On meth, they're not ex-anything. They just live in the right place.
Sorry... I didn't read the article. I'm too cross. Wherever they live, are there any houses for sale? I'm thinking of moving...
Silly question then:
Would it be possible to have an additional search criteria that you can stipulate last online time, such as "Last online?" with a dropdown of a week, month, six weeks etc?
Hmmm...
Had a drink with Suzie Quattro's keyboard player after a gig.
My Aunt is one of the "Tartan Noir" writers and has had a couple of bestsellers
I played "New York" for Princess Di when I was in the school band and she and Charles were visiting for Games day. (Highland games that is!)
My great uncle wrote the flight manuals for Concorde.
I used to play sax and I was a drummer in a 17th century reenactment society. Got on telly a couple of times doing that.
I have a hole in my leg big enough to fit the bottom of a beer can in.
Have made a cup of tea and had a chat with Lord Atlee. Someone told me who he was afterwards...
My ankles do weird things. I can sit with my legs out straight with my feet flat together.
My dad married me first time round (He was the registrar) so I have his signature on that and my birth certificate.
Can't think of anything else right now...
I used to have a load of cookery books, but I gave them all away as they were just taking up space and gathering dust. I do however have a couple left that get brought out for specific things, and one, which is my own recipe book.
I copied some of the bits out of my mother's own recipe book, and I have some great stuff in there, from the richest fruitcake I have ever seen ( you need to get your hands in to get all the fruit covered by the cake mix there's that much in it) to sweets that we used to make for christmas. I also have a great recipe for the biggest, fattest, richest chocolate cake out. (PM me for the recipe if you want to go in for a bit of "genocide by chocolate").
I make a lot of savoury stuff to taste though. A bit of this, a pinch of that, add something else that I think will work, and hey presto... People ask me for the recipes and I have to tell them I can't remember what I put in it half the time. I've started writing some of them down though, so I'm improving gradually.
Hmm... Anyone for a Swinging Heaven Online Cookbook?
Can we do Airsoft instead please? I have the kit anyway, and it hurts less when you get hit.
I'm such a wuss... redface
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If he starts singing, I'll have his fecking throat out! *SQUAWK* Polly want a cracker!
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What do you mean I can't park it here? Go on. Wheel clamp me then *snigger*
The very worst bit is when you flick through the cams to see who's there, see one of the guys mentioned, flick off to another cam, then get the leery whisper of "Like what you see?"
Actually no. If I did, I wouldn't have flicked off your cam again faster than Lindford Christie with his shorts on fire.
Does anyone else here think that the penis is quite possibly the worst-looking part of a man? I'm more into eyes... although I have to say bums come a close second, but clothed for preference.
Leave a little mystery guys! Half the fun is the discovery later of what you keep in your pants. If you're waving it about on cam, what's left to discover?
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(Guy in the middle) Look, I'm sorry, OK? I got the hair dyed blonde, I got the pigtials, but I draw the line at wearing a dirndl and running up hills singing about Eidelweiss when it's pissing down with snow, even for you!
I have to confess that I wouldn't mind a meet with a single male, but I had to take it out my profile for some very simple reasons:
1. I kept getting winks. My profile says they won't be replied to.
2. I kept getting asked if I wanted to meet up the same night as the mail was sent. My profile clearly states that I will only meet once I've got to know the person.
3. People treat me as a single, even though my profile says married and he plays too. Any mails I got were for me only, not including him.
I don't mind meeting for coffee if I've chatted to the person (By the way, Essex there does good coffee wink ) But if I've never heard of the person, never spoken to them before and the profile is a bit thin, then I'm not going to do anything. I'm very wary of meeting people that I've never spoken to prior to the one mail, so it's just not going to happen. I don't particularly want to spend my time clock watching and tapping my foot waiting for it all to be over because the person just isn't interesting/exciting/what I would look for in a coffee buddy never mind for sex.
Single males, take heart. There are some out there that will be interested, but some of us are happier to take the long way round and do the approaching from this end rather than getting flooded with winks. If you get known and liked, then the mails will come to you.
Maybe it's just me... I dunno dunno
I like chat, because I can speak to people in real time. I like the forums, because you can have an informed debate about a question without someone popping in with the "nice tits/pics/underwear" (ooooh, I so know someone's going to be tempted by that) every five minutes.
On the forums you also don't get "let me see more", "go on, take your top off", or the dreaded "want to watch my cam and see me cum?" Ummm... no thanks. I prefer to see it up close, personal and with my hand on it, not yours. Oh, and most of the time, I wouldn't touch it with anyone else's let alone mine...
In chat however, you can usually end up dropping in on some really nice people and getting to know them better than you can with just a few lines on the forums. Plus, there's more impromptu stuff going on and more of the freudian slips that everyone can have a good laugh at.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I like both...
I'll probably get told of by the dearly beloved (aka chewt0ys) for posting this, but hey ho...

I like to live dangerously, and I do think he has a lovely bum...
Ooooh, I've been left off the list...
I'm going to take my bum home and sulk...
dunno
South Coast room on server 1... Nice and sociable in there, and there's a lovely rule about no pudding-pulling on cam. I know if I take a sneaky peek at someone's cam in there, I'm not going to see any bad monkeys getting spanked.
It's not the spanking that bothers me too much... But have you seen some of those things? I have to stop chatting because I'm laughing too much to type!
Being new (Have I said that before? surely not... I don't repeat myself that much do I?), it's been a great comfort to know that when I'm in chat, there are some people who will whisper and say if someone has a tendency to be pushy/ annoying/ offensive/ whatever if the said person is talking to me. It means that I can be a bit more wary of the things I say, although I take it as advice rather than set in stone that the person will be like that all the time.
It's just nice to know that there are some people out there that care about us new people to give us that helpful advice so people don't get the wrong impression of the site as a whole.
Naming and shaming is a bad thing, but helpful advice and quiet comments are appreciated. It happened recently, and I'm grateful to the little angel who watches over me (you know who you are) kiss
My hubby and I actually joined at the same time ages ago... I drifted away for a bit, but he stayed and chatted to people. We then had the big talk about the scene, and I came back again... aren't you all lucky people! rotflmao
Having a talk about it is probably your best plan. If you're both interested, why not be interested together? You don't have to play together if you don't want to but you have to be prepared for the "what ifs" if he wants to play without you.
That was one of my biggest concerns really, but I came to the conclusion that if he's happy to let me play on my own, I can let him do the same, and be happy about it because sometimes we will play together. It's still under discussion, but we do have a serious interest in the scene.
One thing I will say about my hubby and me is that whatever we do here, it's to enhance, not replace, our relationship.
No one complains about miniscule bikinis, skirts that masquerade as wide belts, tops that have less material in than an average pair of knickers, but they get offended at the sight of a baby feeding? I don't get it... Perhaps it's a case of "But I want it for sex. It's not right that it should be used for something else". As naughtynymphos said, it's not like you can see anything anyway, and a baby covers more area than some of the things I've seen women walking around in.
You'll also note that the ones getting most "offended" seem to be male... I don't have kids, but going out with friends with small babies is an education. Some were so intimidated by people glaring that we had to go elsewhere so baby could get it's feed. Not fair at all on the wee ones.
Definitely whispers opening in another window/section of chat... I whisper to friends and me being me, I have trouble with them sometimes and whisper to the wrong person or worse, type to all... Also when you're in a larger room with people coming and going, clicking on just the right name when it's near the bottom of the list is a nightmare, so something to help that would be a bonus, like being able to type "whisper to" and then the name would be a great help. (if this is already an option, please, slap me now).
Multiple cams, and being able to block people from viewing :thumbup: YES PLEASE!
*quick edit before I forget... : some sort of locator so you can find your friends and know where they are would be a definite plus. It might also help mods track down unruly people too (Unless the great Gods of chat can already do this)
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omg Carmel if you already know Wideboy you will already need comiitting and will fit in well here.
Hello and welcome
btw
Earthy xx

Oh goodie... I now have a scapegoat... It was all Wideboy's fault!
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On another note, I was a little wary of writing my long post, so thank you all for the welcome smile I shall join in more in future, and you never know, a munch may not be as far off as once thought...
Essex... you can hold my hand any day kiss